Gaining the Technology Leadership Edge, Episode #81

Can AI Ever Be Truly Intelligent? Peter Voss Has the Answer!

Show Notes

About the Guest(s):

Peter Voss is a pioneer in the field of artificial intelligence, known for coining the term “Artificial General Intelligence” (AGI) in 2002. He has a diverse educational and professional background, having worked his way up from an electronics engineer to founding his own software company. After achieving significant success with his software venture, which scaled up to 400 people and had an IPO, Peter dedicated himself to the pursuit of AGI. He is currently the CEO of Igo AI, a company focused on developing cognitive AI and advancing towards true AGI.

Episode Summary:

In this illuminating episode of “Gaining the Technology Leadership Edge,” host Mike welcomes Peter Voss, the renowned AI expert who coined the term “Artificial General Intelligence” (AGI). Peter shares his unconventional educational journey, rising from an electronics engineer to a successful software entrepreneur before delving into AGI. The episode covers Peter’s transition from electronics to software, his fascination with intelligence in software, and the steps he took to pioneer AGI, aiming to create software that can learn, reason, and think like humans.

Throughout the conversation, Peter explains the evolution of AI from rule-based systems (Deep Blue) to today’s data-centric models (AlphaZero) and the emerging field of cognitive AI. He underscores the limitations of large language models and their inability to adapt or reason like humans. The discussion highlights practical applications, such as Igo AI’s conversational AI solutions in call centers, providing a glimpse into how cognitive AI can enhance customer experiences. The episode concludes with a deep dive into the ethical considerations and future impact of AGI on society.

Key Takeaways:

  • Unconventional Journey: Peter Voss’s path from electronics engineering to pioneering AGI showcases a blend of passion and strategic career pivots.
  • Transition to Software: The pivot from hardware to software was driven by the flexibility and immediate feedback in software development.
  • AGI Vision: AGI aims to create software that can truly learn, reason, and think like humans, bringing profound changes in research and automation.
  • Cognitive AI: Distinguished from statistical models, cognitive AI promises real-time learning and reasoning capabilities, enhancing intelligent interaction.
  • Ethical Considerations: Addressing the ethical use of data and the challenges of ensuring AI’s responsible deployment while fostering innovation.

Notable Quotes:

  1. “We built a very powerful software product, and I was very proud of it… but it also was dumb. Like all software, it doesn’t have intelligence, it doesn’t learn, it doesn’t have common sense.” — Peter Voss
  2. “Artificial general intelligence was really the realization… how can we build software that can actually learn and reason and think the way humans do?” — Peter Voss
  3. “Alphazero taught itself how to play chess, and it seems to be redefining the strategies involved.” — Mike
  4. “Cognitive AI… is a chatbot with a brain, whereas all the other chatbots don’t have a brain; they just have a flowchart.” — Peter Voss
  5. “We need to transition to this third wave, where the system can learn interactively and understand what it’s doing.” — Peter Voss

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Episode Details

Breaking New Ground: The Future of Artificial General Intelligence

Key Takeaways:

  • Peter Voss highlights the limitations of current AI technologies like large language models and emphasizes the need for the next evolution in cognitive AI.
  • The journey from basic software engineering to pioneering artificial general intelligence (AGI) and its potential to revolutionize various industries.
  • Insights into the importance of ethical considerations and how future AI can personalize customer experiences to unprecedented levels.

The Journey from Electronics to AGI

Peter Voss’s journey to artificial general intelligence (AGI) is an enthralling testament to the potential of pursuing one’s passion. As recounted in a recent interview, Peter shared how his career began in the field of electronics before he transitioned into software development. This shift sparked his realization of the limitations inherent in current software systems.

“I had the time to think about what big project I want to tackle next. And it’s artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence. Artificial general intelligence was really the realization my software company, we built a very powerful software product, and I was very proud of it and did well, but it also was dumb. Like all software, it doesn’t have intelligence. It doesn’t learn. It doesn’t have common sense.” – Peter Voss

This intrinsic limitation in traditional software systems inspired Peter to venture into a new domain: creating software that could think, learn, and reason as humans do. The idea of AGI thus became the focal point of his groundbreaking efforts.

The Urgency of Transitioning to Cognitive AI

As the conversation delved deeper, it became evident that Peter’s definition of AGI and its distinction from narrow AI is critical for understanding the current landscape of artificial intelligence. The evolving iterations of AI technology, termed by DARPA as three waves, signify the shift from rule-based systems to today’s statistical models and ultimately to cognitive AI.

“The third wave is cognitive AI, where your starting point is, what does intelligence truly require? What is important in human intelligence? Intelligence. That’s your starting point.”

Peter stressed that while statistical models like those employed in large language systems (e.g., GPT-3) made significant strides, they would remain fundamentally limited. The term ‘generative AI’ describes these systems—essentially sophisticated data processors rather than genuinely thinking entities.

“We need to really transition to this third wave, where the system can learn interactively and understand what it’s doing.”

Such cognitive AI would adapt and learn in real-time without requiring extensive re-training—a feat current models are ill-equipped to perform efficiently.

Real-World Implications of AGI

A profound theme explored involved the real-world applications and implications of AGI. Peter mentioned his own company’s commercial product:

“We do have a commercial product out there that conversational AIH which replaces call center agents. One of the projects we have is with 1800 Flowers… we replaced 3000 agents.”

This practical implementation indicates the immediate benefits of cognitive AI in customer service sectors, where the ability to understand and adapt conversations can enhance user experience dramatically. However, Peter’s long-term vision sees AGI playing a broader role across multiple industries.

The promise of AGI extends beyond customer service into realms like healthcare, research, and beyond. Imagine AGI-driven PhD-level researchers specializing in cancer studies who can tirelessly churn through vast amounts of data, identify patterns, and propose innovative treatments—efforts that would be prohibitively time-consuming and error-prone for human researchers alone.

Ethical and Practical Concerns in AI Development

Ethical considerations naturally emerge when discussing the far-reaching implications of AGI. Peter touched on the subject with a balanced perspective:

“If you’re creative, you’re always creating new things. Other people’s creativity helps me, and if my creativity can help other people.”

He advocated for a more generous view towards knowledge sharing, suggesting that creativity should propel human progress rather than be hindered by stringent intellectual property constraints. Moreover, Peter believes that AI should not compromise ethical standards, especially concerning data privacy and usage.

Another real-world example he provided was McDonald’s experiment with AI in drive-thrus:

“It’s more like they need to be just subtle. Which part didn’t you understand? Did you say bacon? Sort of.”

This example reveals the gaps that still exist between current AI capabilities and true cognitive functions—gaps Peter and his team aim to bridge through their pioneering work in AGI.

AGI holds promise not only for automating routine tasks but also for providing highly personalized customer experiences. For businesses, this could mean the difference between retaining a loyal customer base or losing them to competitors due to poor service interactions.


Peter Voss’ journey from electronics to AGI encapsulates a relentless pursuit of innovation aimed at overcoming the limitations of current AI technologies. As AGI continues to evolve, its potential impact across various industries becomes increasingly apparent. Cognitive AI, as Peter envisions, would transcend the capabilities of today’s statistical models by offering real-time learning and adaptation, promising unprecedented efficiencies and advancements. While challenges remain—especially regarding ethics and practical execution—the work being done by pioneers like Peter foreshadows a transformative future where machines not only think but also understand and innovate alongside us.

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Timestamp Summary
0:00 Peter Voss on Artificial General Intelligence and Its Future
7:24 The Evolution from Narrow AI to Artificial General Intelligence
18:18 Ethical Considerations in Using User Data for AI Development
22:48 The Future of AI and Its Role in Customer Experience
32:36 AI Accuracy, Hallucinations, and Practical Applications